There are few jokes more divisive than rape jokes. For (some) audiences, a rape joke instantly devalues the struggle against sexual violence and dehumanization of that term while for comedians, unless the usage is utterly original, becomes a lazy throwaway stereotype used against Delhi. I’m talking about this because for Indian stand-up, this is a point of rupture brought forth only when something like the Daniel Tosh controversy happens. And it is something that needs more thought.
For those not in the know, Daniel Tosh, famous provocative comic in a recent performance at The Laugh Factory started a bit with “I think rape jokes are funny”. An offended audience member decided to cut short his joke setup by responding with “Actually, rape jokes are never funny”. Tosh then cashed in on the comedic license against heckling and let fly a “Wouldn’t it be hilarious if like five people came and raped her right now?” You get the idea. Read more here.
The next day, Guwahati. I’m not even going to spend any time outraging about this incident because internet outrage doesn’t solve anything beyond turning everyone into participants of a “who has a superior moral compass” contest. The only feeling I was overcome with after hearing of the incident – I didn’t feel inclined towards looking at the footage – was that of helplessness. It is something one encounters in everyday life and is powerless to do anything about. I know when I’m out with friends my brain is constantly scanning for douchebag(s) who’ll make lewd remarks, attempt to grope or stare down cleavage. They’re always there. Mocking your vulnerability if you’re alone. Gurgaon. Bombay. Goa. There seems to be no escape beyond looking the other way and feeling powerless. And that brings me to my question.
Should the existence of incidents like Guwahati lead to a different moral code for comedians in India? Does it carry more “weight”?
I have always been an absolutist in my support for free speech. In the case of Daniel Tosh, while I did not find Tosh’s takedown of the heckler very funny, I completely support him saying it. Comedy is one of the few industries left that has license to break social code – but does it in countries like India need another look in?
We all know comedy is subjective and what one person finds funny might not apply to another at all. For example, there are some absolutely hilarious rape jokes that subvert the very notion of what the word connotes. Examples include Dave Chappelle’s bit about “Man rape” and the ever so awesome Louis C.K. Do comedians need to draw their own lines in a country where they’re already being forced and told to do so on every second issue?
I also wonder why in the Indian context the division is limited to jokes on rape and perhaps cancer. Why do people still laugh at the every Delhi is a rapist joke? Why does no one in an audience get offended at “Mayawati is a man” jokes? Is it because the threat of sexual assault is levied at one of our kind while the latter doesn’t concern us? Because the English stand-up industry only caters to a certain castes and class profiles? And what about religion? Where it is perfectly normal to make fun of Islam and Sikhism but not of Hindus?
I don’t really have the answers, but if there’s one thing the Daniel Tosh incident teaches us is that comedic lines are being drawn and shifting almost instantaneously – and while for me no issue is too offensive to joke about – these lines within Indian audiences need a look in by fellow comics. The weight of the issues we joke about perhaps is a lot heavier.
Except Bollywood. Fuck that shit.


Very well articulated post, Khamba.
You've very cleverly avoided to impose any POV while subtly hinting at drawing the line. Shrewd.
IMHO, it actually depends on who is speaking, where is she speaking & who's the audience. While we can be an absolute outcast & claim that no worldly pain,happiness,concern,issue,norms etc affect me & comment, joke,write,scream just about anything(which might/might not be funny), the point boils down to the fact that we live in a society. While it might be perfectly okay for someone to joke about something serious among her close friends/mates, it might cause her immense loss of reputation and attract hate if the same thing is said in open. So it all depends on judgement.
While I'm "free" to blow a saxophone at 2 AM in the middle of the neighborhood, it's not always the "right" thing to do. Again, we can have a discussion on "right" and "wrong". :)
For me, anything is right that doesn't hurt your own conscience. If you're okay with it. Do it.
Hope I made some sense.
-Tonmoy (@7ONMOY)
Very well articulated post, Khamba.
You've very cleverly avoided to impose any POV while subtly hinting at drawing the line. Shrewd.
IMHO, it actually depends on who is speaking, where is she speaking & who's the audience. While we can be an absolute outcast & claim that no worldly pain,happiness,concern,issue,norms etc affect me & comment, joke,write,scream just about anything(which might/might not be funny), the point boils down to the fact that we live in a society. While it might be perfectly okay for someone to joke about something serious among her close friends/mates, it might cause her immense loss of reputation and attract hate if the same thing is said in open. So it all depends on judgement.
While I'm "free" to blow a saxophone at 2 AM in the middle of the neighborhood, it's not always the "right" thing to do. Again, we can have a discussion on "right" and "wrong". :)
For me, anything is right that doesn't hurt your own conscience. If you're okay with it. Do it.
Hope I made some sense.
-Tonmoy (@7ONMOY)
Why is all our outrage saved for things that are most easily romanticized because of their grotesque nature.
It is so much more 'activist' perhaps to tweet about the molestation, than oh, I don't know.. the floods. We seem to choose our causes in proportion to the amount of interest said support would generate.
Equally so the kind of comedy we wish to patronize and denounce.
"Lazy Stereotype" ? Aren't all stereotypes lazy,including most of your jokes?
English Standup comedy in India is still in the very nascent stage. Our crowds still laugh out loudest at the silly stereotype jokes and are definitely not ready yet to take on serious subjects like rape, religion,etc. So I don’t think our crowds are ready. Most young comics make the mistake of watching a lot of Louis CK / George Carlin and try to emulate them rather than develop their own styles and they think that anti-establishment rant is the easiest way out and try to take on subjects which they do not have an understanding of..so it’s a path one must tread on carefully..
I'd like to know why Daniel Tosh is being supported by only MALE comedians. I don't know of any female comediennes finding it funny. Strange?
You also talk about how you have no option but to feel powerless when perverts try to lech at/grope women in your presence. You obviously can't take the risk of confronting them because if you do, like the women, you'll end up being physically violated yourself by those men. Also, new ones will keep coming up and sexually harassing women anyway, right? But what about the women who are *actually* undergoing the harassment and are *genuinely* powerless? Obviously you aren't going through even a fraction of what the women who *are* being violated are going through, and so, though you may loathe these men, YOU are safe. As a privileged male (privileged, not just because of the well-entrenched patriarchal system here, but also because you may not have been sexually harassed, owing to your gender), you don't possess the experience of being violated every single day and you are incapable of truly knowing what it feels like. Which is why you can support comedians like Daniel Tosh. It's easy enough to do that, you see, when it's never happened to you and never will.
Free speech is a good idea when you know *you* are never going to go through the trauma ever. I'm pretty sure the Guwahati girl wasn't finding that molestation funny. I'm not implying that you were, either. But by justifying rape jokes you neutralize and legitimize rape. You may not be consciously doing that, but that's how it is.
And lastly, read this: http://t.co/JWsvvfio
-- @culdivsac
Also, read this, if you have;t already: "Offended hasn't got anything to do with it, moron. People have wounds, and those wounds are painful." http://austin.culturemap.com/newsdetail/07-12-12-14-37-the-best-response-weve-heard-to-daniel-toshs-misquoted-rape-jokes/
I do not enjoy any jokes celebrating someone else's tragedy (or I think). They are not funny to me + they can be hurtful.
By now everyone agrees David Tosh wasn't funny .
Its you who defines how to brake the social code . Rape , as a matter of fact is a commonly dicussed subject these days among most conservative lot . However the outcome as you see is more about "moral conduct" women follows.
You reach more people & you know whats the consensus .
u nailed it sir.....the worst thing being ,that feeling of helplessness can't be helped.
While I don't deny that comedy is subjective, it actually is not the original line thats up for arguement, its the response he gave to an opinion of his audience, thats unpardonable and actually NOT FUNNY at all. In all honest terms he could not say the F word right there coz then he is not 'funny'. He just took out the annoyance at that girl by cursing out in a different way. Totally unprofessional. All he needed to say was ' You don;t find it funny, I do' and it would have ended right there. Most of them agree that comedy is extremely subjective, if some one's wits are not your style, people just don't go to their shows. Period. The girl was only voicing her opinion and not trying to heckle the comic. She did not go to that guy's show, that guy just got a gig after the scheduled stand up. The response he gave is totally out of line there. Sorry, but I dont agree with your post at all.
While I usually enjoy your posts, I do think you're wrong. Speaking as a lawyer, freedom of speech is one thing, but it is always subject to restrictions. Since your post was based less on the subjective comical value of 'rape' and more on the objective right of a comedian (which I do agree with, by the way), I do believe that there are, and should be restrictions. I'm all for jokes that are provocative or derive their comic value from the shock factor, but there are always underlying rules and principle, a grund norm, if I may say so. Its not funny to joke about any of the myriad terrorist attacks, its not funny to funny to joke about the Sikh riots etc. There are boundaries which everyone, including comedians must respect.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying rape is the same as a terrorist attack, nor am I saying its not, simply disagreeing the principle that seems to from the premise for your post.
Hi,
Rishabh here from Delhi. I like what you are doing to the stand up scene. I just wanna know when do you plan to visit Delhi next and also when will you air your next podcast.
Keep making us laugh, funnyman..
Dude,
I like what you are doing with stand up comedy scene in India. When do you plan to visit Delhi next and when do you air your next podcast.
Thanks for the laughs.
Rishabh
Dude,
I like what you do with stand up. When do you visit Delhi next? Also, when do you air your next podcast.
Thanks, RJ